#1 2009-02-13 7:09 AM

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The money

Some thoughts have been milling around in my skull about the club...I've got a couple of questions.

What does our $25 cover? The Laguna thing and our 1st track day of the year?

Do we purchase any of the prizes we raffle off at Laguna?

Who, specifically, do we have discounts with? Are they the dealers listed at the bottom of our forum page?

Are we paying Double A ron at all for our site space, updates, and maintenance?

I'm formulating ideas...just curious about the above stuff...

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#2 2009-02-13 7:37 AM

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Re: The money

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. In the past, yes.
4. No, and we love him for it.

What ideas are you formulating?


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#3 2009-02-13 8:49 AM

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Re: The money

Opinionated? Yes. Popular? Maybe not. Of course there are things I may not have considered and there are things I have assumed. Nevertheless, here's what I'm thinking. Go get a cup of coffee and relax. I'm wordy, and you know this, man.

I decided to just show up to a club ride a couple of years ago. I didn't have to be dragged there by a friend. I didn't need some kind of incentive. I CERTAINLY didn't need to be "recruited." I just wanted to ride with other people and maybe make some acquaintances. So if there are people out there who are at all interested in us, put on your big-boy (or girl) pants and show up. I don't mind printing out cards and posters as long as they get left somewhere, anywhere (and not thrown on the floor, you know who you are), but I'm not going to stand at a stoplight somewhere trying to get people to show up. Humans are social creatures...even those of us who enjoy the summer breeze through the window while gaming. When I'm asked about the group, I do my best to explode the myths about the club...pre-conceived notions even I had when I first decided to ride with the CVSC. It can't really be helped given the hobby/sport we're in, as there are so many out there with liter bikes and 2 inch chicken strips who think they can ride. And yes, that gray-haired guy with the ponytail really IS faster than you (yes, I said it again...that was my own favorite exploded myth). I've especially been chatting up women about how damn nice you DB's are. If riders want to show up bad enough, they will show. Once they leave their ego at the door, they'll fit right in. With this group, showing off and bragging about your ability just doesn't happen. That's for when the plebes are walking down the street and they think you are crazy, fast, etc. Yes, I totally soak that up.

At the time that I first showed up, the club offered two free rides in "club rides" before you had to pay the membership fee. The first ride was tough, but I was encouraged to finish the day by a club member. I showed up for the second ride and I became more comfortable with the fact that I wasn't holding anyone back, I didn't have to try to kill myself to keep up and nobody would get mad at me. In fact, everyone I talked to was more than willing to dispense advice based on their own experiences, and they still are.

Here I am, two, maybe three years later, having gotten so much farther as a rider being a member of this club than I would've EVER on my own. I have friends to ride with and I'm so in love with motorcycling, that I hate buying groceries because I can save that money for track days and trips. My priorities are admittedly out of whack, but they are my priorities regardless. I love riding with this group and $25/year is minuscule compared to the non-monetary benefits I think I've received.

My thoughts:
The Fee: $25 is the yearly membership. That's one night's bar tab, if you're a lightweight like me. Two free "club rides" (Sunday...or Saturday...or both, whatever comes of that), then it's pay up or move on. Yes, it may look like we want you to pay for the privilege of riding with us. It probably is. If that doesn't suit you, don't show up for club rides. As my former chauvinistic boss once said, "This isn't a democracy." We don't have to let everyone in, and you nobody's forcing you to become a part of our group. Besides, if anyone would merely register with this website (WHICH IS FREE TO REGISTER EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN STILL READ POSTS WITHOUT DOING SO) they would plainly see under "Ride outs," that we have so many non-club rides during the week, it would be the perfect opportunity to ride with various club members as often as they want without becoming members. Though we would take it as a kindness if you became a member, and you'd look less like a mooch. Even non-members could post up that they want to ride with someone at whatever time is convenient for them. It won't always happen, but sometimes it does. Ask mileageguy. The poor lonely soul. smile My bottom line belief: I don't want to ride with douchebags. At least the membership fee tends to filter them out. Oh God, I hope I'm not a paying douchebag.

Laguna: I've heard in the past that the ride didn't involve the post-ride bar thing. My thought is to dump the bar, band, and food. The actual Laguna Seca race this year is July 3-5. I realize that's not necessarily ideal for turn-out as it's a holiday, but maybe the weekend after would be suitable. We go on the ride, we raffle off a few prizes we've somehow managed to get gratis, or discounted, and we meet up later (so we can eat separately or together) at a place that can hold us (somebody's driveway, a bar, a restaurant, a fire pit), maybe has a TV so we can watch DVDs or the current weekend's race, maybe have a keg and chat with any of the non-members who decided to meet with us. We save money (hopefully) that we can spend on track days and group trips.

Track Days: I really appreciate the fact that the club gives back to its members for track days. I'd just like to see it be a larger amount. I realize that we can't all be on the same page as far as schedules and expenses, and it seems to me that actually having a "club" track day may not work. But it seems we ALWAYS manage to have at least a handful of people in the club showing up for one track day or another. There were at least 5 of us at BIR last year, and it sounds like there's about that many going to Barber (you bastards). I'm okay with only giving club funding for the individual's 1st track day of the year. After all, for someone like me who has no spouse or children to schedule and expense, I would likely be able to do more track days than someone who has grown up and taken responsibility for others.

Apparel: I'm proud as hell to wear my club shirt when I can. It's just that it's...manly. And black. Other items and colors might be a nice idea. I don't know anything about things like Cafepress as far as from a selling point of view, but maybe we can arrange a hookup (hopefully locally) with someone who can deeply discount us for a little more variety. Maybe you guys can outfit your ladies in a nice CVSC thong...wouldn't that be a nice Valentine's Day gift?

Website: Finally, Aaron, I just wanted to thank you many times over for giving us this website. It is our main (if not only) source of communication and has made the many opportunities to ride SO much easier to arrange. Hell, man, you're even a club member again and you WON'T reap as many benefits as us monkeys still here in the CV. Please keep up the great work...even those of us who verbally abuse you while hiding behind our computer GREATLY appreciate all you do. That said, maybe we could dump the "Media" page? Or only add relevant videos/images to it? I'm kinda worn out by Turd Furgesson and the Walking Wiener (now if THAT doesn't sound like a band...).

To sum it up....I don't care if we recruit people or make money. I just want to ride with you guys. A lot. But I'll still pay for you to be my friends. wink


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#4 2009-02-13 9:25 AM

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Re: The money

Imagine if you had to pay Aaron by the word. smile

Anyway, good thoughts there. As with you, I consider the 25$ a filter and a bargain. I know I've easily gotten my money back through club events even if I don't do a track day.

But more to the point, you bring up club money and "thoughts". Am I correct you think more money should be spent on track days alone or was there something else?


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#5 2009-02-13 12:50 PM

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Re: The money

My extreme point: Do we really need money to function? Do we want it? If we want/need it, what for?

I'll stick by the $25 membership as I said before...for a filter. It's less hostile than, say, voting someone in or out. Btw, please don't vote me out...remember, I don't talk or post messages while I'm riding. smile

I guess the reason I posted was because I thought of Laguna and the amount of money involved, the fact that the end destination is less than popular because of distance, the logistics, etc. What if we keep just the ride, let one-timers slap down money for that one ride if they want to, end up in the majority area for a beer and a burger? At least if we relax in EC after, the outlanders from Cameron, Menomonie, etc., could crash free at our homes should the need arise.

We could always use the membership for rounds of drinks when we get together as a larger group. Or pass it around for track days. Or send for chow at a sag party.

As for "the future of the club," I think we'll do just fine as long as we enjoy riding with each other and do it as often as we can. Less hassle on officers, more enjoyable riding, etc.

I like the idea of the sag/tire changing party. I see more get-togethers like that in our future...maybe focus on more repairs/maintenance for those of us who are clueless (read: me)...hopefully it'll be warm enough to ride to those events instead of trailer. smile

I'm all for the guerrilla type marketing we do now, leaving cards and posters wherever (I even tuck them into menus), and I'll pay or not pay, as the majority decides. Just wondering if we really need to be so organized as to potentially eclipse the main reason we all know each other: riding. Possibly drinking.

But if we are going to continue to try to bring in money, I think we should seriously rethink Laguna and yes, put more money into track days...or whatever else seems like a good idea. After all, it's not like we're hiding anything when we tell non-members that their money goes back to us for our pure amusement.


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#6 2009-02-13 1:36 PM

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Re: The money

Hind Tit wrote:

(I even tuck them into menus)

I have seen it with my own three eyes.


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#7 2009-02-13 3:20 PM

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Re: The money

I haven't spoken to her yet, but I'm thinking my wife could maybe get us a deal on shirt printing from Action City.  She has a pt gig there on the weekends and is in pretty good with the owners. 

They are able to do full color from a photograph (Got a Gixxer t-shirt for b-day) and they can do other images like .bmp with no problem.  No screen printing done there.

Since we are going down there tonight to pick up her paycheck, I'll see if she could talk to someone on how much 20-30 shirts would cost if they were full color.  I know it might be too many, but doesn't hurt to pad the numbers.

I will reply tonight if we find out anything. 

Would like to ask one question off this topic if I may...

Is the club going to be changing to Saturdays for rides or keeping Sundays???  I'm asking because my wife works all day most Saturdays starting at 8 or 10 am until 4.  If you change to Saturdays, I will probably not be able to do the club rides because I will be watching the kids.  If you guys can iron something out soon, she may be able to switch stuff around to where she works every other Saturday and every Sunday instead.

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#8 2009-02-14 8:28 AM

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Re: The money

Hind Tit wrote:

My extreme point: Do we really need money to function? Do we want it? If we want/need it, what for?

I'll stick by the $25 membership as I said before...for a filter. It's less hostile than, say, voting someone in or out. Btw, please don't vote me out...remember, I don't talk or post messages while I'm riding. smile

I guess the reason I posted was because I thought of Laguna and the amount of money involved, the fact that the end destination is less than popular because of distance, the logistics, etc. What if we keep just the ride, let one-timers slap down money for that one ride if they want to, end up in the majority area for a beer and a burger? At least if we relax in EC after, the outlanders from Cameron, Menomonie, etc., could crash free at our homes should the need arise.

We could always use the membership for rounds of drinks when we get together as a larger group. Or pass it around for track days. Or send for chow at a sag party.

As for "the future of the club," I think we'll do just fine as long as we enjoy riding with each other and do it as often as we can. Less hassle on officers, more enjoyable riding, etc.

I like the idea of the sag/tire changing party. I see more get-togethers like that in our future...maybe focus on more repairs/maintenance for those of us who are clueless (read: me)...hopefully it'll be warm enough to ride to those events instead of trailer. smile

I'm all for the guerrilla type marketing we do now, leaving cards and posters wherever (I even tuck them into menus), and I'll pay or not pay, as the majority decides. Just wondering if we really need to be so organized as to potentially eclipse the main reason we all know each other: riding. Possibly drinking.

But if we are going to continue to try to bring in money, I think we should seriously rethink Laguna and yes, put more money into track days...or whatever else seems like a good idea. After all, it's not like we're hiding anything when we tell non-members that their money goes back to us for our pure amusement.

1. Do we need money to function? Yes. The way the club is run and the events we represent require money. We do things other clubs don't. Some things of which we should be very proud of such as cutting a check to Fez's brother. Imagine trying to raise that money on a Sunday ride.

If we didn't have money, no more Laguna Ride. It takes money to get that started. I can't finance it and I'd hate to ask anybody else to. No more pizza meeting. No biggie but it's something to do. No more discount track day. No more discount Rock Falls Bike Day. No more T-shirts. No more filter. Since we don't vote on who goes and who stays, it's nice to see that "commitment" on who is serious about being in the club.

2. Do we want it? I certainly can't speak for everyone but if it takes money to run the club in this positive way, then yes.

3. If we want/need it, what for? I think you partially answered that in your second and third paragraph, and in the things I've touched on here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you wanted to get some ideas out there about different things we could be doing. Maybe that would be a more appropriate header? As for Laguna, I agree with you that the last location may not be the best place to do it and that is being discussed. I do however love the pig roast idea and will offer my services to help do one again if thats the consensus. Whatever we do, it's going to take money if we want it to be "something". Also, it has been brought up a few times about Saturday rides. I will volunteer to take a couple.

There is a Officers Meeting coming up where these things will be addressed. I can only speak for the money and what I can volunteer for. The Champ should have more info for you as the riding season approaches.


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#9 2009-02-14 9:55 AM

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Re: The money

Hind Tit wrote:

I see more get-togethers like that in our future...maybe focus on more repairs/maintenance for those of us who are clueless (read: me)...hopefully it'll be warm enough to ride to those events instead of trailer. smile

I wouldn't count you as "clueless".  You are already up on half the guys in the club that can't change their own oil!  Yeah you!!

I say the membership fee stays.

I say Laguna is a sweet ride and after wards we come back to my house...or someone's and do a byob/byom party and we all get drunk, barf and pass out at that particular house.  Maybe we do a prize giveaway in the winter...make a party out of it.  ....and lots more trackdays!


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#10 2009-02-14 10:32 AM

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Thanks, Braddah. But I'm still hoping I recognize the need for a new sprocket before everyone else does. smile

Hey, thanks, Turd. Just collatin' data..I'm just trying to give us all some things to think about...somewhere in all that blabber. You know I and my wallet are all in.


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#11 2009-02-14 12:42 PM

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Tit, speaking of money, I still owe you 10bux. Hows that for setting a good example for treasurer? Not very good but it gives me a chance in the new Obama cabinet.


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#12 2009-02-14 8:02 PM

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Turd Furgesson wrote:

Tit, speaking of money, I still owe you 10bux. Hows that for setting a good example for treasurer? Not very good but it gives me a chance in the new Obama cabinet.

You caught me. The whole reason I brought it up was the 10 smacks. Kidding. The evening was worth it.

I'm not sweating the 10 bucks. You and Mel have welcomed my sorry ass into your house many times over...fed me delicious food, offered me beer, kept me warm after rides, shown me movies and racing, warned me against chewing and swallowing *%&#($ HOT peppers. If anything, I owe you a 10 spot. smile

Speaking of the OCab, seems to me there's more holes than Swiss. Is it my imagination or are people nearly running screaming from his appointments? It's creeping me out a little...

...does Turd & The Tit sound like an ABC After-School Special? Am I all alone on that one?


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#13 2009-02-15 10:25 PM

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Sounds more like a twisted internet porn vid than a after-school special.  4 bastards to be exact.  All good stuff here; although I'm a little suprised we are still talking about $25 like it needs to be justified.

Is there a committee that plans Laguna or does it fall entirely on the officers?

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#14 2009-02-16 5:59 PM

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Last year, the only year I've been involved in the planning, was handled by the officers and a few very generous members who volunteered to plan and help out day-of.


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#15 2009-02-16 7:52 PM

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Let's raise it to $50...will weed out A LOT!


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#16 2009-02-16 9:42 PM

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practicecrasher wrote:

Let's raise it to $50...will weed out A LOT!

So like $25 every 6 months or do you need the other $25 now?:lol:

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#17 2009-02-17 7:10 AM

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lol. I think 14 is a FINE number of people...


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#18 2009-02-17 10:43 PM

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xD675x wrote:

1. Do we need money to function? Yes. The way the club is run and the events we represent require money. We do things other clubs don't. Some things of which we should be very proud of such as cutting a check to Fez's brother. Imagine trying to raise that money on a Sunday ride.
I feel for his brother but to put him in front of paying club members when spending their money?

If we didn't have money, no more Laguna Ride. It takes money to get that started. I can't finance it and I'd hate to ask anybody else to. No more pizza meeting. No biggie but it's something to do. No more discount track day. No more discount Rock Falls Bike Day. No more T-shirts. No more filter. Since we don't vote on who goes and who stays, it's nice to see that "commitment" on who is serious about being in the club.
The club has always had enough money to start the year with.  When were the pizza parties?  Member meetings?  Track Day $10 discount?  It used to be $20-40.

2. Do we want it? I certainly can't speak for everyone but if it takes money to run the club in this positive way, then yes.
Other clubs operate on no membership and do just fine.

Whatever we do, it's going to take money if we want it to be "something".
A group could always get together and have people pay for their own way.

Take a day to re-read what I wrote, re-think it, and edit.

Let's all try to keep this topic CONSTRUCTIVE.


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#19 2009-02-18 10:26 AM

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xD675x wrote:

1. Do we need money to function? Yes. The way the club is run and the events we represent require money. We do things other clubs don't. Some things of which we should be very proud of such as cutting a check to Fez's brother. Imagine trying to raise that money on a Sunday ride.
I feel for his brother but to put him in front of paying club members when spending their money?

If we didn't have money, no more Laguna Ride. It takes money to get that started. I can't finance it and I'd hate to ask anybody else to. No more pizza meeting. No biggie but it's something to do. No more discount track day. No more discount Rock Falls Bike Day. No more T-shirts. No more filter. Since we don't vote on who goes and who stays, it's nice to see that "commitment" on who is serious about being in the club.
The club has always had enough money to start the year with.  When were the pizza parties?  Member meetings?  Track Day $10 discount?  It used to be $20-40.

2. Do we want it? I certainly can't speak for everyone but if it takes money to run the club in this positive way, then yes.
Other clubs operate on no membership and do just fine.

Whatever we do, it's going to take money if we want it to be "something".
A group could always get together and have people pay for their own way.

Ok then,
1. We polled as many people as we could about donating to Fez's little brother and not once did anyone say anything about not doing it. As a matter of fact, some people donated more INDIVIDUALLY than the club kicked in. Everyone was unanimous for the donation but you wouldn't know that because you weren't there with the 20+ that went. We also spent more on track days for club members than on our donation. All in all, we spent 4 times as much on club events last year then that one donation, so your question "I feel for his brother but to put him in front of paying club members when spending their money?" is complete ignorance based on zero fact. Want to see the numbers? I'll show them to you.

True, we have always had enough money to start the year with. What I posted was: "If we didn't have money, no more Laguna Ride." Thats why I asked you to read that again. I can go into detail on how the club would be bankrupt in 2 years if we spent money like we used to.

2. Other clubs do operate on no membership but do they offer what we do? I'll go over to the MNSBR site and skim over to see how much they kick in to members for track days and parties etc.

True, a group could always get together and have people pay for their own way. My point was that it's fun to be in a CLUB that can add some financial support to it's members to make the event a little extra. Thats why there are thousands of popular clubs accross the country, motorcycle or what-have-you.

X, why don't you come in here and post up some suggestions or ideas of what you would like and how to do it instead of throwing negativity around with no solutions?

Again, if any member would like to see how the club spends it's money, or how it has in the past, please feel free to ask and I will break it down for you. Suggestions for club events or policies are always welcome.


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#20 2009-02-18 10:57 AM

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Why don't we see who is serious about the club and raise it to $50.  U don't want to be in...then go plan ur own events with ur friends. ...we would need to start holding people accountable for showing up all the time and not paying.  $50 would be more that could go toward BIGGER discounts on trackdays.  The club goes thru the bs to have people show up, win prizes n we never see them again...that's fine..let's go do trackdays with their money.  Am I wrong?


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#21 2009-02-18 11:06 AM

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I agree with you, practicecrasher...except the extra scoots makes me hesitate a little. Personally I don't think it's too much (that's still for a year and only TWO bar tabs for me), but then I'm not one of those people who's scraping together enough money to keep my bike in running condition. Though in my opinion, if you can't afford to do the up-keep on your bike, you probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place. Regardless, you make a good point. More money for us. I'd still be in, for whatever that's worth. smile


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#22 2009-02-18 3:19 PM

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1. Look who ACTUALLY have been paying to be members...no one that is scraping.
2.Dick or not dick, if u can't keep ur bike maintained...I don't want u next to me at 120.  By maintained I mean safe...not necessarily pretty


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#23 2009-02-18 3:26 PM

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practicecrasher wrote:

1. Look who ACTUALLY have been paying to be members...no one that is scraping.
2.Dick or not dick, if u can't keep ur bike maintained...I don't want u next to me at 120.  By maintained I mean safe...not necessarily pretty

I hear ya there, there was no reason that someone should have lost their EXHAUST on the Laguna ride this year.  The dudes rear lights on that bike were from a trailer, the brake light was a boat trailer brake light and the blinkers were trailer side markers...

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practicecrasher wrote:

1. Look who ACTUALLY have been paying to be members...no one that is scraping.
2.Dick or not dick, if u can't keep ur bike maintained...I don't want u next to me at 120.  By maintained I mean safe...not necessarily pretty

The not pretty thing... thanks for that. smile


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#25 2009-02-18 5:53 PM

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Turd Furgesson wrote:
practicecrasher wrote:

1. Look who ACTUALLY have been paying to be members...no one that is scraping.
2.Dick or not dick, if u can't keep ur bike maintained...I don't want u next to me at 120.  By maintained I mean safe...not necessarily pretty

The not pretty thing... thanks for that. smile

I was actually gonna make you and Champ exempt...shit typically isn't falling off either of your bikes.


Life is all butterflies n rainbows!

I don't want to be faster than you...I want to be faster than me

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